Wideband sensor

warrior · Post by **warrior** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:10 pm

I have a 1.6 na with a jackson racing supercharger, it is fuelled by a powercard piggyback system. I have a narrow band gauge in the car at the moment and have set the fuelling (with advice from TRACKDOG RACING) with that.

I was going to get the car tuned on the dyno but i,m sure I can get it perfect with a wideband sensor/gauge.

I know most people will say "dyno the car" but the powercard is very simple and I am fairly sure I can get it 99% right with the wideband and not have to pay for the time on the dyno.

What are your guys thoughts?

wideband $250.00.....dyno $??????????

WideOpenThrottle · Post by **WideOpenThrottle** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:17 pm

If you absolutely know what you are doing fine!... otherwise dyno will give you a way better/safer tune.

Post by **jif** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:05 am

I went the wideband+knocksensor+roadtune option, absolutely no problems. Tune went from <10:1 rich (FlyinMiata default map) to 12:1 and it perked up quite a bit as a result. Also means you can do things like tune in a nice over-run crackle

and make occasional re-tunes for things like bad gas, change in weather, altitude etc.

Good for a 80-90% good tune, that last little bit on the ragged edge ... not so much.

HTH.

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sprsta · Post by **sprsta** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:07 pm

jif wrote:I went the wideband+knocksensor+roadtune option, absolutely no problems. Tune went from <10:1 rich (FlyinMiata default map) to 12:1 and it perked up quite a bit as a result. Also means you can do things like tune in a nice over-run crackle and make occasional re-tunes for things like bad gas, change in weather, altitude etc.

Good for a 80-90% good tune, that last little bit on the ragged edge ... not so much.

HTH.

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this^^^

And if your only tuning a power card i wouldn't waste $ on dyno time

warrior · Post by **warrior** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:47 pm

Yeah thats how I was thinking.....the powercard is very simple and I have it pretty close from just my narrowband and the advice from TRACKDOG. Like I said $250.00 and I have the wideband forever.

Does anyone know???? I have a heated oxygen sensor because of the aftermarket headers....is a wideband sensor heated or not?

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:07 pm

I think the heated ones started from the NA8Cs onwards. Google can confirm but I will check later tonight (probably midnight when I start shopping on yahoo.jp)

warrior · Post by **warrior** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:13 pm

Yeah the early ones were not heated but I put one in because of new headers. What I need to know is, is a wideband sensor heated? I assume it would have to be?

What type of guage/sensors are you guys using?

Mad Kiwi · Post by **Mad Kiwi** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:21 pm

My innovate one is heated and I "believe" all wide bands are......

Angreal · Post by **Angreal** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:45 pm

Mad Kiwi wrote:My innovate one is heated and I "believe" all wide bands are......

I'm pretty sure that all widebands are heated... You might stumble across one and prove me wrong though :p

Post by **jif** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:15 pm

yes 99% sure a WBo2 is heated - because the voltage response varies with temperature, it needs to be within a certain range to be useable/reliable.

go for it ... at nearly 3x the price (a few years back) it seemed like a decent deal to me

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sprsta · Post by **sprsta** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:59 pm

just watch your grounds when wiring in the innovate

if you have any issues at all, itll be to do with the grounding

warrior · Post by **warrior** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:15 pm

cheers guys....looks like its sold.

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:27 pm

most wideband controllers out \put 2 voltages...a narrow band and wide band so you use just the wideband sensor and feed its narrow signal into the ecu and the wide into whatever you want to read/display it

Mad Kiwi · Post by **Mad Kiwi** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:15 pm

interstingly, I spoke to link and they said it didn't make enough difference on the Miata Link or the other link unit I had to even worry...

Was rather disapointed with that.....I believe the Link 2,3 and 4 do use the narrow / wide band info though....

Post by **jif** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:46 pm

yep, but with a WBo2 you can actually tune for something other than stoichiometric as the closed-loop target :]

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CordedBowl · Post by **CordedBowl** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:07 pm

As a side note; I take it the Innovate is the best bang-for-buck sensor/gauge at the moment?

I'm looking to get one for my turbo build

warrior · Post by **warrior** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:37 pm

That is what I am looking at as well

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:06 pm

yup get an innovate. they have a good user forum too

sprsta · Post by **sprsta** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:13 pm

Mad Kiwi wrote:interstingly, I spoke to link and they said it didn't make enough difference on the Miata Link or the other link unit I had to even worry...

Was rather disapointed with that.....I believe the Link 2,3 and 4 do use the narrow / wide band info though....

link NZ have no records of the FMLink they are two totally diferent systems!

a fmlink will take a 5v wbo2 signal a link nz miatalink will only perform the basic functions of a G1 link

flyin miata exported a whole bunch of miatalink's and made their own chip for it
linknz will not provide support

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