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Post by warrior » Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:46 pm

I need a helmet to do gymkanas and the odd track day. I have no idea what I need or where to get it from and what I need to pay.

Any advice would be great.
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Post by built4speed » Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:56 pm

Look up the specs on the MSNZ site. Dont get a cheap Chinese aliexpress import as they wont meet the standard even if they are counterfitted and say they do.

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Post by WideOpenThrottle » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:08 am

I have found that go as lightweight as possible for comfort and less strain on your neck.
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Post by Keith Jones » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:18 am

As built4speed says, get an approved helmet. The bottom end of the price range for these is around $400-500. Check out Chicane Racewear (HJC AR10 helmet) Vortex Racewear (Vortex Formula) and Flamecrusher (FF-S4).

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Post by Angreal » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:15 am

I can vouch for HJC and KBC helmets as I have personally tested them both at speed coming off a motorbike. I'd advise against using this testing methodology though... :roll:

I can vouch that Arai are comfortable but I'm not planning to put that one through the rigorous testing regime

All 3 of those comply if you ever decide to get a motorbike. I think there are some helmets that are good for cars but not good for motorbikes/scooters

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Post by marcellarius » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:08 pm

I've been using a cheap FFM open face motorcycle helmet for gymkhanas (European 05 R22 standard). It's probably adequate for low speed events.

Motorsport helmets are more expensive, have stricter standards, can be used with forward head restraints etc.

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Post by built4speed » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:39 pm

Doesnt have to be an expensive race helmet, a motorbike one is fine as long as it meets the standard

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Post by 4A-GE » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:58 pm

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Post by Donovan » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:34 pm

these guys if you just want an el cheapo helmet, doesn't meet MNZ standard.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/stores/cnell-b ... r?cid=3916

If you want a MNZ one, it needs to meet the Australian Standard AS 1698

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Post by SLYDIT » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:46 pm

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Post by warrior » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:48 pm

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Post by SLYDIT » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:52 pm

just need my nz mx5 patched jacket and ill be the toughest dude at the autocross.
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Post by Snapfrozen » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:48 pm

Remember, you're protecting one of the most important parts of your body. I'd personally spend a few hundred minimum at a NZ motorbike shop...

I run an HJC and used to have a more expensive helmet in the race car.

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Post by GRUVBB » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:47 pm

I have one of those German style helmets. Size L. Gloss black. Certified standard. Never been worn. PM if keen.

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Post by Euen » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:25 pm

If you have a $10 head, wear a $10 helmet.

If you are competing on a MSNZ sanctioned event that requires a helmet then you will require a helmet that meets one of the standards defined in the MSNZ Manual.
See section 4.1 pages 9-10
http://www.motorsport.org.nz/sites/defa ... %20A_0.pdf

Most motorcycle helmets do not meet these standards
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Post by Angreal » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:11 pm

Euen wrote:Most motorcycle helmets do not meet these standards
Wow.Really? Dayum. Safe to say I'll never race cars but I'd rate a motorbike helmet higher than a car one...

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Post by SLYDIT » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:24 pm

i think bike helmets are heavier????
the chances of neck injury are higher wearing a bike helmet while strapped in a car seat.
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Post by Snapfrozen » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:40 am

Angreal wrote:
Euen wrote:Most motorcycle helmets do not meet these standards
Wow.Really? Dayum. Safe to say I'll never race cars but I'd rate a motorbike helmet higher than a car one...
Not neccessarily. I had a car helmet that had hans posts and met a euro motorbike/car generic standard. Raced in it for 2-3 years. This is at National level MSNZ sanctioned events too

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Post by built4speed » Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:33 pm

Euen wrote:If you have a $10 head, wear a $10 helmet.

If you are competing on a MSNZ sanctioned event that requires a helmet then you will require a helmet that meets one of the standards defined in the MSNZ Manual.
See section 4.1 pages 9-10
http://www.motorsport.org.nz/sites/defa ... %20A_0.pdf

Most motorcycle helmets do not meet these standards
I beg to differ, id say over half the helmets that go through scrutineering are motorcycle helmets. Mine is a basic HJC CL-ST motorcycle helmet and that meets the euro 5 standard.

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Post by Snapfrozen » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:35 pm

4.1. (2) basically says any helmet that meets the Euro, Brit or Aussie standards is fine if it is a motorcycle helmet. Otherwise FIA, SFI or Snell.

I've been through with a Euro and an SFI with no problems.

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Post by Donovan » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:45 pm

I think one of the big things was missed in a post, and that is a HANS device, or at least some sort of neck brace.

If you need your helmet to protect your head if the case comes up that you are going to hit the tarmac in a car, it's pretty much lights out nurse whether you have a $10 helmet or a $1000 helmet. It's there mostly to offer protection from smacking around inside the cabin of the car, and motorbike helmets are going to do that, it is just how long playing pin ball in the cabin it's going to last before it splits open and exposes yourself to the elements.

However your head's heavy, and the helmet adds more weight to that already large noggin,you come to a very sudden stop, and your head doesn't have to come to blows with anything to seriously screw you up.

Not that I am saying go out there and buy the cheapest helmet around, but if you are doing the odd track day in a pretty much standard car, get a good bike helmet and at least a neck brace rather than an almighty expensive and nothing to keep it in place should the worst happen.

And don't skimp on the roll over protection in the car.

Now, let the barrage from the motorsport fraternity begin
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Post by Euen » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:38 am

No barrage from me Donovan. I agree with you.

Regarding the barrage I got re my comment on bike helmets, I take your point. As long as the helmets meet the standards defined by MSNZ they will be accepteble, maybe I should have used the word "many" instead of "most".
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