80 kmkm speed limit change

Ian Chapman · Post by **Ian Chapman** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 1:54 pm

Hmmm - trucks at 90km/hr! Those who were awake in 6th form physics will
know that the energy of a moving object (momentum) is what makes it hard
to stop or change direction and what dictates how much damage will occur
to objects when it is suddenly stopped - aka crashing.

Since momentum = mass x velocity squared.

A 30 tonne truck at 90 km/hr has 26% more momentum (energy) than the
same truck at 80km/hr

and the same momentum as:

a 2 tonne Urban Assault Vehicle at 348km/hr and,

a 1000 kg MX5 at 493 km/hr!

This is probably a bit irrelevant anyway as most trucks currently
travel at 90 to 105 km/hr so are already this dangerous!!

This extra momentum will also further damage our already below
acceptable road surface and structure.

Keep well clear of fast large trucks!

lou Girardin · Post by **lou Girardin** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:00 pm

Can you also imagine some driver trying to pass a big rig doing 90km/h,
without exceeding 100. How long will passing lanes have to be?
How can we get rid of these brain dead, LTSA cretins?
Lou

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:32 pm

so does that mean that we can go 493kmh in our MX's
and be as safe as a semi??? YEEEEHAAA!!!

--- Ian Chapman <Ian.Chapman@ngc.co.nz> wrote: > Hmmm
- trucks at 90km/hr! Those who were awake in
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dangerous!!

This extra momentum will also further damage our
already below
acceptable road surface and structure.

Keep well clear of fast large trucks!

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EricW · Post by **EricW** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:06 pm

Lou, as you know, the problem is that there is no opposition, and I don't mean
the Bill English Brigade, (although if they started earning their salaries it
would make a nice change). Austin Mitchell once described us as "The
Passionless People" and therein lies the problem, we simply do not get angry
enough "en bloc".

Can you imagine a French farmer putting up with the "Fart" tax, there would be
parked tractors clogging the motorway from Paris to Bordeux! The Irish Farmers
would blow up a Police Station or two, The Texas Beef Farmers would give Pete
Hodgson a nice coat of tar & feathers and ride him out on a rail. We simply
take it.

We have a Government which holds the World Record for driving in reverse; no
new taxes, (but lets have another "levy") "There will be legislation giving us
ownership of the beaches" (Well actually, we will discuss "Guardianship" with
our Treaty Partner") and so on, and still we take it

We have a long history of governance by "regulation without mandate" by all
parties in government. And yet we still take it, we whinge and moan and as
soon as the next issue comes along, we forget this one and move on.

We have education dumbed to the lowest common denominator, we have OSH making
us frightened to get out of our chairs and we have have the Police waiting to
pounce on every accidental transgression, by stealth, and if you stand still
for a moment, they find a new way to tax it.

What on earth happened to Godzone! We had it, but we have let the bastards
steal it from us.

Frankly folks, what we need is a little sedition!

Forty old Massey Fergusons parked, Northbound, in three lanes at Greenlane, at
0800 Monday morning ought to make an impression on the Fart tax for openers.

As a traffic cop in 1981, I well remember a time when we did shake off our
apathy long enough to tell the Government that racially selected sports teams
were not welcome. If we can do it for Rugby players in Soweto, why on earth
can't we do it for ourselves!

Regards

Eric

lou Girardin · Post by **lou Girardin** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 8:24 am

It's not for nothing that we were known as the Prussians of the South Pacific.
Joins anyone's war at the drop of a hat, mindless obedience to our 'leaders'
etc.
I was talking to Ray Whatmough's son recently, you'll remember Ray (2IC of
the MOT training college) apparently he's completely disgusted with the
current Police regime.
If a career enforcement officer feels like that, something is very wrong.
Kiwi's should start selecting politicians on a basis other than false promises
about how much they'll put in our wallets.
Lou

Gareth Kemeys · Post by **Gareth Kemeys** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:53 pm

well ive always believed that the main body of nz who make up the voting
poulation, dont care as there just average joe scmoe and they have there
weekly pay packet in there pocket and a beer on the table. ive always been
discusted by the way labour gives out handouts and the regular hard worker
cops it.
I feel sorry for all the honest businesses in nz who must struggle because of
our government and also i dislike our welfare state. i think we should fix it
now or there will be serious consequences later.

(should enter politics)

xtr515758 · Post by **xtr515758** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 2:50 pm

Isn't this getting well off the sort of topic I think this list was intended for? (IMHO.) Didn't necessarily start off that way, but...

From: "Gareth Kemeys" <garethkemeys@xtra.co.nz>
Date: 2003/09/26 Fri PM 05:53:22 GMT+12:00
To: "MX5List" <mx5list@mx5club.org.nz>
Subject: Re: 80 kmkm speed limit change

well ive always believed that the main body of nz who make up the voting poulation, dont care as there just average joe scmoe and they have there weekly pay packet in there pocket and a beer on the table. ive always been discusted by the way labour gives out handouts and the regular hard worker cops it.
I feel sorry for all the honest businesses in nz who must struggle because of our government and also i dislike our welfare state. i think we should fix it now or there will be serious consequences later.

(should enter politics)

well ive always believed that the main body of nz who make up the voting
poulation, dont care as there just average joe scmoe and they have there
weekly pay packet in there pocket and a beer on the table. ive always
been discusted by the way labour gives out handouts and the regular hard
worker cops it.I feel sorry for all the honest businesses in nz who must
struggle because of our government and also i dislike our welfare state.
i think we should fix it now or there will be serious consequences later.
(should enter politics)

Gareth Kemeys · Post by **Gareth Kemeys** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 4:00 pm

yes well indeed,but seeing as the list has been so quiet,i thought it may have
been ok to vent spleen a little. my apologies if i was out of line.

colin · Post by **colin** » Sun Sep 28, 2003 4:24 pm

I think the enjoyment, safely of our cars, means we have to take a strong
interest in the environment we use them in
IE: the road.
Any pertinent information or comment is ok with me. LTSA can't be the only
voice.
I am using Roslyn for a day or two this week. No roof down today. Tuesday is
the day...
Gust is a long time member of the Wellington Social Club
I am at work and expect outpourings of sympathy immediately.
More likely laughter I suspect.
Smiles
Colin

lou Girardin · Post by **lou Girardin** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:11 am

That's what lists are for, check some of the US lists and see how far off
topic they get. Besides, the speed limit issue is inextricably linked to NZ's
political apathy. At least we're not as dumbed down as the US yet, 50% of
their voters still support a thief.
Lou

tim.maggie · Post by **tim.maggie** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:43 pm

I for one enjoy seeing these sort of topics evolve - some interesting and
valid comments have been made. If you dont want to follow the flow of thought
why not just do the easy thing and hit 'delete' - please don't insist on the
censoring of opinion on this list - keeping to too narrower track can be
dull.

Tim. ps - I dont buy the propect of a speed limit reduction. A certain
wellington based control freak would not risk the inevitable voter backlash.

Gareth Kemeys · Post by **Gareth Kemeys** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 6:29 pm

yes i agree i think its getting a little to close to election time and is thus
getting a little scared as the polls arent looking as good as they once did.
however who is there to replace her with...

Phil McArthur · Post by **Phil McArthur** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 8:16 pm

Fair enough Tim -though its a bit of a stretch to suggest that my comment
about Gareths post amounts to '"insisting on the censoring of opinion on this
list" - I was just pointing out that what started out as a vaguely MX related
topic (about as vague as some of the ones I've started) ended up as party
political broadcast on behalf of someone other than Labour.

Anyway I withdraw and apologise. Just for the record, the club site says of
this list "If you have technical, cleaning, equipment and parts buying,
performance, or any other MX5 related questions, here is the place to ask
them."

Phil.

garethkemeys · Post by **garethkemeys** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:46 am

I also withdraw and apologise.
I never meant to broadcast anyones party. just opinions ,i know i got off track but hey!
Top down days ,now thats what its all about!

Heres to summer, and worry free motoring..

From: "Phil McArthur" <p.mca@xtra.co.nz>
Date: 2003/09/29 Mon PM 08:16:11 GMT+12:00
To: "MX5List" <mx5list@mx5club.org.nz>
Subject: Re: Re: 80 kmkm speed limit change

Fair enough Tim -though its a bit of a stretch to suggest that my comment about Gareths post amounts to '"insisting on the censoring of opinion on this list" - I was just pointing out that what started out as a vaguely MX related topic (about as vague as some of the ones I've started) ended up as party political broadcast on behalf of someone other than Labour.

Anyway I withdraw and apologise. Just for the record, the club site says of this list "If you have technical, cleaning, equipment and parts buying, performance, or any other MX5 related questions, here is the place to ask them."

Phil.

Fair enough Tim -though its a bit of a stretch to suggest that my comment
about Gareths post amounts to '"insisting on the censoring of opinion on
this list" - I was just pointing out that what started out as a vaguely
MX related topic (about as vague as some of the ones I've started) ended
up as party political broadcast on behalf of someone other than Labour.
Anyway I withdraw and apologise. Just for the record, the club site says
of this list "If you have technical, cleaning, equipment and parts
buying, performance, or any other MX5 related questions, here is the
place to ask them." Phil.

EricW · Post by **EricW** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:30 am

As the person who was probably as responsible as anyone for "politicising"
this issue on the list, please allow me one final comment, and then I will
shut up, I promise.

Our club has, I believe, some 350 - 400 members throughout the country. I
doubt that there is a larger "single interest" car club in NZ, We no doubt
have associations and affiliations with other, similar, clubs. Combined, we
have some reasonable force as a lobbying body. The things which the
politicians do, or intend to do, which offend us, can and should be bought to
their attention with that force of, well reasoned, opinion behind them.

If all we do is drive around with our tops down and brains disengaged, then we
will, and we deserve to, get caught with our pants down as well.

So let's, as a body, be political, to the extent that we look after our
interests and those of the other reasonable New Zealanders with whom we are
privileged to share the roads, in what must be the best MX 5 territory on
earth, (if only it would bloody well stop raining!).

For the record, I am not a "political" person, I have never belonged to any
party, ( I would not belong to any party which would have me as a member). I
am the archetypal "floating voter"

Regards

Eric

lou Girardin · Post by **lou Girardin** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:11 am

Well stated!
Lou

John Forsyth · Post by **John Forsyth** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:24 am

Eric,
Well said as usual.
____________________
john forsyth BCG191

tim.maggie · Post by **tim.maggie** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:51 pm

Well said Eric, good points.

With all this talk of politics Ive got to thinking about the appropriate
vehicles we would/should have to match the bunch in power.

The greens would (fair)trade some ge free stuff for the old 1963 skoda molds
and we'd all be driving these - provided they didnt emit carbon!

Labour would have us in those old Oxfords that they still make in India, while
the elite would drive black merc's (or new vw bettles).

National would have us all in falcons with a bench seat in front and column
change.

Act would be bmw's.

United would have us in toyota previa's, loaded with kid's on the way to
church.

The libertarians would have us in mx5's (only with the top down!) as i think
you are probably a freedom lover to own a 5.

The anderton party would have us all in smoky old east german "trabants".

I can't pick it for the peters party though? Tim.

lou Girardin · Post by **lou Girardin** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 4:02 pm

Act would be BMW's under an extortionate lease to one of their business mates.
NZ First would be Trekkas, NZ cars for NZ'ers
Lou

tim.maggie · Post by **tim.maggie** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:19 pm

Lou, you're right about the b m's, but trekka's??!! Theyre really skodas
arent they? Can't we do better than trekkas as a country? T.

EricW · Post by **EricW** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:05 pm

That would have to be the "Anziel Nova" (you have to be " a certain age" to
remember that one) They only ever made one, designed and built in NZ and it
was white!

(This car is in MOTAT or was the last time I saw it)

SLYDIT · Post by **SLYDIT** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:20 pm

Remember the HERON kit car??? it looked like a lotus
Esprit and was powered by a lancia twin cam. Made in Rotorua i think.
Glenn
--- "tim.maggie" <tim.maggie@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Lou,
you're right about the b m's, but trekka's??!!
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