At the risk of causing more trouble, I just have to comment on this
mornings TV news... They reported the confiscation of about 15 "boy
racer" cars in Auckland. They then showed video of a warehouse holding
the cars, and all had the green sticker on the windscreen "Faulty
vehicle... " Most were beautifully presented "tuner" cars, and
undoubtedly the pride and joy of their owners... many hours and dollars
lavished on them. I think this is very sad. While slightly misguided
passion may be represented in these vehicles, they are none-the-less a
relatively clean and constructive past time. I'm sure that all of us,
with our own enjoyment of our cars, must feel offended by this heavy
handed "law" enforcement. The ominous factor though was the green
"faulty" vehicle sticker. This suggests that each of these cars was
confiscated based not on misbehaviour by the owner, but just because some
new distortion of the "law" had been applied to it. A police spokesman
was promising more of the same. Gary
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I agree that police responses "on the road" have in the past often
proven to be heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain stupid --
especially since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police put
road safety enforcement into the hands of so many untrained,
over-zealous Police officers with an inevitably confrontational
job-culture aggravated by resentfulness of their new role in traffic
duties.
But Gary, have you evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why these
vehicles were confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.)
Or are you just "suggesting" or guessing here, and adding to
misinformation and confusion?
Before I "must feel offended by this heavy handed "law" enforcement" in
this case, I'd like to be much more certain of the facts.
Ross Bryon
Ampersand Design
ross@ampersand.co.nz
Tel 64 9 376 1670
Fax 64 9 376 4009
Mob 64 21 376 167
BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary Morrison wrote:
[...]
proven to be heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain stupid --
especially since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police put
road safety enforcement into the hands of so many untrained,
over-zealous Police officers with an inevitably confrontational
job-culture aggravated by resentfulness of their new role in traffic
duties.
But Gary, have you evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why these
vehicles were confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.)
Or are you just "suggesting" or guessing here, and adding to
misinformation and confusion?
Before I "must feel offended by this heavy handed "law" enforcement" in
this case, I'd like to be much more certain of the facts.
Ross Bryon
Ampersand Design
ross@ampersand.co.nz
Tel 64 9 376 1670
Fax 64 9 376 4009
Mob 64 21 376 167
BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary Morrison wrote:
[...]
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Ross Bryon
Our boys in blue again
I agree that police responses "on the road" have in the past often
proven to be heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain stupid --
especially since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police put
road safety enforcement into the hands of so many untrained,
over-zealous Police officers with an inevitably confrontational
job-culture aggravated by resentfulness of their new role in traffic
duties.
But Gary, have you evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why these
vehicles were confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.)
Or are you just "suggesting" or guessing here, and adding to
misinformation and confusion?
Before I "must feel offended by this heavy handed "law" enforcement" in
this case, I'd like to be much more certain of the facts.
Ross Bryon
Ampersand Design
ross@ampersand.co.nz
Tel 64 9 376 1670
Fax 64 9 376 4009
Mob 64 21 376 167
BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary Morrison wrote:
[...]
proven to be heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain stupid --
especially since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police put
road safety enforcement into the hands of so many untrained,
over-zealous Police officers with an inevitably confrontational
job-culture aggravated by resentfulness of their new role in traffic
duties.
But Gary, have you evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why these
vehicles were confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.)
Or are you just "suggesting" or guessing here, and adding to
misinformation and confusion?
Before I "must feel offended by this heavy handed "law" enforcement" in
this case, I'd like to be much more certain of the facts.
Ross Bryon
Ampersand Design
ross@ampersand.co.nz
Tel 64 9 376 1670
Fax 64 9 376 4009
Mob 64 21 376 167
BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary Morrison wrote:
[...]
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Hi Ross, Just the fact that they were all green stickered. And the green
stickers say something like "Faulty Vehicle..." (Perhaps someone can
fill in the detail). This means, as I understand it, that they were taken
off the road for something like having an exhaust that was too loud. Just
like that mum in Whangarei last week was. Its only very recently that the
police have had the power to confiscate vehicles en-masse like this... I
don't recall seeing it on this scale in the past. They did the same in
Christchurch to a similar number of vehicles in the past few days. And in
Auckland they were apparently chasing up quite a number more who they
were unable to apprehend on the night but who they had identified (police
spokesman said that). I'm certainly open to correction if my
understanding of this is wrong. Gary On Mon, 19 May 2003 10:31:03 +1200,
Ross Bryon wrote: I agree that police responses "on the road" have in the
past often proven to be heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain
stupid -- especially since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police
put road safety enforcement into the hands of so many untrained,
over-zealous Police officers with an inevitably confrontational
job-culture aggravated by resentfulness of their new role in traffic
duties. But Gary, have you evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why
these vehicles were confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.) Or are you just
"suggesting" or guessing here, and adding to misinformation and
confusion? Before I "must feel offended by this heavy handed "law"
enforcement" in this case, I'd like to be much more certain of the facts.
Ross Bryon Ampersand Design ross@ampersand.co.nz Tel 64 9 376 1670 Fax 64
9 376 4009 Mob 64 21 376 167 BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster On Monday, May 19,
2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary Morrison wrote: > The ominous factor though was
the green "faulty" vehicle sticker. This > suggests that each of these
cars was confiscated based not on > misbehaviour by the owner, but just
because some new distortion of the > "law" had been applied to it. > > >
stickers say something like "Faulty Vehicle..." (Perhaps someone can
fill in the detail). This means, as I understand it, that they were taken
off the road for something like having an exhaust that was too loud. Just
like that mum in Whangarei last week was. Its only very recently that the
police have had the power to confiscate vehicles en-masse like this... I
don't recall seeing it on this scale in the past. They did the same in
Christchurch to a similar number of vehicles in the past few days. And in
Auckland they were apparently chasing up quite a number more who they
were unable to apprehend on the night but who they had identified (police
spokesman said that). I'm certainly open to correction if my
understanding of this is wrong. Gary On Mon, 19 May 2003 10:31:03 +1200,
Ross Bryon wrote: I agree that police responses "on the road" have in the
past often proven to be heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain
stupid -- especially since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police
put road safety enforcement into the hands of so many untrained,
over-zealous Police officers with an inevitably confrontational
job-culture aggravated by resentfulness of their new role in traffic
duties. But Gary, have you evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why
these vehicles were confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.) Or are you just
"suggesting" or guessing here, and adding to misinformation and
confusion? Before I "must feel offended by this heavy handed "law"
enforcement" in this case, I'd like to be much more certain of the facts.
Ross Bryon Ampersand Design ross@ampersand.co.nz Tel 64 9 376 1670 Fax 64
9 376 4009 Mob 64 21 376 167 BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster On Monday, May 19,
2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary Morrison wrote: > The ominous factor though was
the green "faulty" vehicle sticker. This > suggests that each of these
cars was confiscated based not on > misbehaviour by the owner, but just
because some new distortion of the > "law" had been applied to it. > > >
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Ross Bryon
Our boys in blue again
Hi Gary, it is just that...
Assuming that your read on the significance of the green stickers is
correct, the question that occurs to me is: When and why were they
"green stickered" -- and did that have anything to do with the reason
they were confiscated in the first place, or was it a subsequent event
or assessment of the vehicles?
Assuming that the green-stickering "prooves" the CAUSE of the
confiscation is where the logic breaks down. There's nothing in the
observations you report to support this supposition. And you know what
they say about assuming...
Harking back to your original message, you say "Most were beautifully
presented "tuner" cars, and undoubtedly the pride and joy of their
owners... many hours and dollars lavished on them. I think this is very
sad." It seems that you have an almost automatic sympathy for anyone
whose invests time, money and has pride in their vehicles.
I don't. If with their behaviour on the road these people bring
disrepute to and disgrace to themselves -- then "by association" in the
minds of the general public, they bring some measure of the same
disrepute to all others who have a passion about their vehicles. They
do a most particular harm to all of us car enthusiasts and our car
clubs.
So I will reserve my opinion (and sympathies) until I know more
specifically just why these cars were confiscated.
Probably more than enough said on the subject...
Ross
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 02:20 PM, Gary Morrison wrote:
[...]
Assuming that your read on the significance of the green stickers is
correct, the question that occurs to me is: When and why were they
"green stickered" -- and did that have anything to do with the reason
they were confiscated in the first place, or was it a subsequent event
or assessment of the vehicles?
Assuming that the green-stickering "prooves" the CAUSE of the
confiscation is where the logic breaks down. There's nothing in the
observations you report to support this supposition. And you know what
they say about assuming...
Harking back to your original message, you say "Most were beautifully
presented "tuner" cars, and undoubtedly the pride and joy of their
owners... many hours and dollars lavished on them. I think this is very
sad." It seems that you have an almost automatic sympathy for anyone
whose invests time, money and has pride in their vehicles.
I don't. If with their behaviour on the road these people bring
disrepute to and disgrace to themselves -- then "by association" in the
minds of the general public, they bring some measure of the same
disrepute to all others who have a passion about their vehicles. They
do a most particular harm to all of us car enthusiasts and our car
clubs.
So I will reserve my opinion (and sympathies) until I know more
specifically just why these cars were confiscated.
Probably more than enough said on the subject...
Ross
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 02:20 PM, Gary Morrison wrote:
[...]
-
Ross Bryon
Our boys in blue again
Hi Gary, it is just that...
Assuming that your read on the significance of the green stickers is
correct, the question that occurs to me is: When and why were they
"green stickered" -- and did that have anything to do with the reason
they were confiscated in the first place, or was it a subsequent event
or assessment of the vehicles?
Assuming that the green-stickering "prooves" the CAUSE of the
confiscation is where the logic breaks down. There's nothing in the
observations you report to support this supposition. And you know what
they say about assuming...
Harking back to your original message, you say "Most were beautifully
presented "tuner" cars, and undoubtedly the pride and joy of their
owners... many hours and dollars lavished on them. I think this is very
sad." It seems that you have an almost automatic sympathy for anyone
whose invests time, money and has pride in their vehicles.
I don't. If with their behaviour on the road these people bring
disrepute to and disgrace to themselves -- then "by association" in the
minds of the general public, they bring some measure of the same
disrepute to all others who have a passion about their vehicles. They
do a most particular harm to all of us car enthusiasts and our car
clubs.
So I will reserve my opinion (and sympathies) until I know more
specifically just why these cars were confiscated.
Probably more than enough said on the subject...
Ross
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 02:20 PM, Gary Morrison wrote:
[...]
Assuming that your read on the significance of the green stickers is
correct, the question that occurs to me is: When and why were they
"green stickered" -- and did that have anything to do with the reason
they were confiscated in the first place, or was it a subsequent event
or assessment of the vehicles?
Assuming that the green-stickering "prooves" the CAUSE of the
confiscation is where the logic breaks down. There's nothing in the
observations you report to support this supposition. And you know what
they say about assuming...
Harking back to your original message, you say "Most were beautifully
presented "tuner" cars, and undoubtedly the pride and joy of their
owners... many hours and dollars lavished on them. I think this is very
sad." It seems that you have an almost automatic sympathy for anyone
whose invests time, money and has pride in their vehicles.
I don't. If with their behaviour on the road these people bring
disrepute to and disgrace to themselves -- then "by association" in the
minds of the general public, they bring some measure of the same
disrepute to all others who have a passion about their vehicles. They
do a most particular harm to all of us car enthusiasts and our car
clubs.
So I will reserve my opinion (and sympathies) until I know more
specifically just why these cars were confiscated.
Probably more than enough said on the subject...
Ross
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 02:20 PM, Gary Morrison wrote:
[...]
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Actually the story is here in detail...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID
=3502701&thesection=news&thesubsection=general "Offences can include
having a car that is too loud" On Mon, 19 May 2003 10:31:03 +1200, Ross
Bryon wrote: I agree that police responses "on the road" have in the past
often proven to be heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain stupid
-- especially since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police put
road safety enforcement into the hands of so many untrained, over-zealous
Police officers with an inevitably confrontational job-culture aggravated
by resentfulness of their new role in traffic duties. But Gary, have you
evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why these vehicles were
confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.) Or are you just "suggesting" or
guessing here, and adding to misinformation and confusion? Before I "must
feel offended by this heavy handed "law" enforcement" in this case, I'd
like to be much more certain of the facts. Ross Bryon Ampersand Design
ross@ampersand.co.nz Tel 64 9 376 1670 Fax 64 9 376 4009 Mob 64 21 376
167 BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary
Morrison wrote: > The ominous factor though was the green "faulty"
vehicle sticker. This > suggests that each of these cars was confiscated
based not on > misbehaviour by the owner, but just because some new
distortion of the > "law" had been applied to it. > > >
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID
=3502701&thesection=news&thesubsection=general "Offences can include
having a car that is too loud" On Mon, 19 May 2003 10:31:03 +1200, Ross
Bryon wrote: I agree that police responses "on the road" have in the past
often proven to be heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain stupid
-- especially since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police put
road safety enforcement into the hands of so many untrained, over-zealous
Police officers with an inevitably confrontational job-culture aggravated
by resentfulness of their new role in traffic duties. But Gary, have you
evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why these vehicles were
confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.) Or are you just "suggesting" or
guessing here, and adding to misinformation and confusion? Before I "must
feel offended by this heavy handed "law" enforcement" in this case, I'd
like to be much more certain of the facts. Ross Bryon Ampersand Design
ross@ampersand.co.nz Tel 64 9 376 1670 Fax 64 9 376 4009 Mob 64 21 376
167 BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary
Morrison wrote: > The ominous factor though was the green "faulty"
vehicle sticker. This > suggests that each of these cars was confiscated
based not on > misbehaviour by the owner, but just because some new
distortion of the > "law" had been applied to it. > > >
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Gary Morrison
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- Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:24 pm
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The simple fact is that these guys are a little misguided, but at least
they have a passion for something, and that is what I applaud... Why
can't a constructive solution be found. Heavy handed approaches lose
respect for authority, and that is the last thing that is needed... On
Mon, 19 May 2003 15:56:02 +1200, Ross Bryon wrote: Hi Gary, it is just
that... Assuming that your read on the significance of the green stickers
is correct, the question that occurs to me is: When and why were they
"green stickered" -- and did that have anything to do with the reason
they were confiscated in the first place, or was it a subsequent event or
assessment of the vehicles? Assuming that the green-stickering "prooves"
the CAUSE of the confiscation is where the logic breaks down. There's
nothing in the observations you report to support this supposition. And
you know what they say about assuming... Harking back to your original
message, you say "Most were beautifully presented "tuner" cars, and
undoubtedly the pride and joy of their owners... many hours and dollars
lavished on them. I think this is very sad." It seems that you have an
almost automatic sympathy for anyone whose invests time, money and has
pride in their vehicles. I don't. If with their behaviour on the road
these people bring disrepute to and disgrace to themselves -- then "by
association" in the minds of the general public, they bring some measure
of the same disrepute to all others who have a passion about their
vehicles. They do a most particular harm to all of us car enthusiasts and
our car clubs. So I will reserve my opinion (and sympathies) until I know
more specifically just why these cars were confiscated. Probably more
than enough said on the subject... Ross On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 02:20
PM, Gary Morrison wrote: > Hi Ross, > > Just the fact that they were
all green stickered. And the green > stickers say something like "Faulty
Vehicle..." (Perhaps someone can > fill in the detail). This means, as I
understand it, that they were > taken off the road for something like
having an exhaust that was too > loud. Just like that mum in Whangarei
last week was. > > Its only very recently that the police have had the
power to > confiscate vehicles en-masse like this... I don't recall
seeing it on > this scale in the past. They did the same in Christchurch
to a similar > number of vehicles in the past few days. And in Auckland
they were > apparently chasing up quite a number more who they were
unable to > apprehend on the night but who they had identified (police
spokesman > said that). > > I'm certainly open to correction if my
understanding of this is wrong. > > Gary > > > > On Mon, 19 May
2003 10:31:03 +1200, Ross Bryon wrote: > > I agree that police
responses "on the road" have in the past often > proven to be
heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain stupid -- > especially
since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police put > road safety
enforcement into the hands of so many untrained, > over-zealous Police
officers with an inevitably confrontational > job-culture aggravated by
resentfulness of their new role in traffic > duties. > > But Gary, have
you evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why these > vehicles were
confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.) > > Or are you just "suggesting"
or guessing here, and adding to > misinformation and confusion? >
64 9 376 4009 > Mob 64 21 376 167 > BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster > > On
Monday, May 19, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary Morrison wrote: > > >The
ominous factor though was the green "faulty" vehicle sticker. > This
[...]
they have a passion for something, and that is what I applaud... Why
can't a constructive solution be found. Heavy handed approaches lose
respect for authority, and that is the last thing that is needed... On
Mon, 19 May 2003 15:56:02 +1200, Ross Bryon wrote: Hi Gary, it is just
that... Assuming that your read on the significance of the green stickers
is correct, the question that occurs to me is: When and why were they
"green stickered" -- and did that have anything to do with the reason
they were confiscated in the first place, or was it a subsequent event or
assessment of the vehicles? Assuming that the green-stickering "prooves"
the CAUSE of the confiscation is where the logic breaks down. There's
nothing in the observations you report to support this supposition. And
you know what they say about assuming... Harking back to your original
message, you say "Most were beautifully presented "tuner" cars, and
undoubtedly the pride and joy of their owners... many hours and dollars
lavished on them. I think this is very sad." It seems that you have an
almost automatic sympathy for anyone whose invests time, money and has
pride in their vehicles. I don't. If with their behaviour on the road
these people bring disrepute to and disgrace to themselves -- then "by
association" in the minds of the general public, they bring some measure
of the same disrepute to all others who have a passion about their
vehicles. They do a most particular harm to all of us car enthusiasts and
our car clubs. So I will reserve my opinion (and sympathies) until I know
more specifically just why these cars were confiscated. Probably more
than enough said on the subject... Ross On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 02:20
PM, Gary Morrison wrote: > Hi Ross, > > Just the fact that they were
all green stickered. And the green > stickers say something like "Faulty
Vehicle..." (Perhaps someone can > fill in the detail). This means, as I
understand it, that they were > taken off the road for something like
having an exhaust that was too > loud. Just like that mum in Whangarei
last week was. > > Its only very recently that the police have had the
power to > confiscate vehicles en-masse like this... I don't recall
seeing it on > this scale in the past. They did the same in Christchurch
to a similar > number of vehicles in the past few days. And in Auckland
they were > apparently chasing up quite a number more who they were
unable to > apprehend on the night but who they had identified (police
spokesman > said that). > > I'm certainly open to correction if my
understanding of this is wrong. > > Gary > > > > On Mon, 19 May
2003 10:31:03 +1200, Ross Bryon wrote: > > I agree that police
responses "on the road" have in the past often > proven to be
heavy-handed, counter-productive and just plain stupid -- > especially
since the ill-conceived merger of the MOT and Police put > road safety
enforcement into the hands of so many untrained, > over-zealous Police
officers with an inevitably confrontational > job-culture aggravated by
resentfulness of their new role in traffic > duties. > > But Gary, have
you evidence, any evidence at all, of exactly why these > vehicles were
confiscated? (Your msg suggests not.) > > Or are you just "suggesting"
or guessing here, and adding to > misinformation and confusion? >
Bryon > Ampersand Design > ross@ampersand.co.nz > Tel 64 9 376 1670 > FaxBefore I "must feel offended by this heavy handed "law" enforcement" in
this case, I'd like to be much more certain of the facts. > > Ross
64 9 376 4009 > Mob 64 21 376 167 > BRG V-Spec 1991 Roadster > > On
Monday, May 19, 2003, at 09:54 AM, Gary Morrison wrote: > > >The
ominous factor though was the green "faulty" vehicle sticker. > This
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