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Fwd: Re: Headrest speakers... head unit wiring..

Post by poison » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:13 pm

While on the subject of sound, I just swapped my Head unit (The CD player in
the dash) to an MP3 (I can blame this entirely on Nigel.e's influence) . And
holy crap the factory power wire to the stereo is so small. So for those of us
who like it loud, running a bigger wire (with new fuse!!!) from the ignition
is not a bad idea. For the less techo of us, this is just so the voltage can
keep up with the high demand of the stereo when played loud, so you don't need
to rush out and get your car rewired, it's perfectly safe as it is.

So for those who want to know more, what it means is... When you change the
car stereo from a factory one, it probably (one would hope) has a higher power
rating, this is the 50Wx4 you see on the front of most car stereos now.
Forgetting if it puts actually puts out 50W or not, the higher the power of
the amplifier the more energy (current) it will require to make it run well.
If the power cable is too small it puts too much resistance to the flow of the
current, and as the car has only a 12v system the voltage at the stereo will
drop resulting in less volume and quality (which is why we bought the bigger
stereo in the first place). But don't worry the small wire will not hurt the
car or stereo, just gives less performance. For those not bored yet... what's
wrong with you??? anyway for example, say the car stereo needed two amps (the
current=I) at 12v to perform it's best and the little wire has one ohm
resistance (this is R) (and one ohm is not much).

Ohms law of electricity states that V=IxR
So if we need 12v but there is a resistance in the line of 1 ohm
From V=2amps x 1 ohm
Then V=1
This means that because of the resistance in our wore we lose 2 volts to the
stereo, so we only get 10v at the stereo and we are nearly 20% down in
performance. this is why you see all the young guys (and me, still young,
maybe, your only as old as the woman you feel).. they all have huge cables
going to their sub woofer amplifiers, as they draw large currents and a small
resistance will drop the volume and quality considerably.

Sorry if confusing, I hope it may be interesting for some. I'll probably get
critiqued to hell, but please remember it's a simple example.

Again if your not a techo and all this means nothing 'don't worry' it will not
harm your car at all, as the normal wire has a fuse to protect it.

Gazza
:twisted: Gazda in the white HOT Mazda :twisted:

Lyndon Pope

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Post by Lyndon Pope » Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:14 pm

RMS power out is equal to the square of the RMS output voltage devided by the
load impedence. This statement is true regardless of any loss in power supply
cables.

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Post by poison » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:01 am

Hi Lyndon

I can see what you're saying, you said "RMS power out is equal to the square
of the RMS output voltage divided by the load impedance" but what you're
talking about is at the speaker side of the equation, after the amplifier. My
point was the voltage drop is in the power supplied to the amplifier (in the
DC section of the process), sorry if I did not explain myself so clearly.

But to be honest I don't think you're quite 100% on the speaker side of things
either, the formula should be W=Vsquared/R (but that's probably a typo) and in
an ideal world yes you would be right, but if the load impedance of the
speaker is 4 ohms and you put too smaller cable out to these speakers you
introduce more resistance to the circuit, so you have load+cable loss, for
example; a 1ohm cable loss will result in a total 5 ohm load on the amp than
resulting in a loss in power at the speaker. Hence the reason they invented
Monster Cable for speakers etc. etc. or you could run fuse wire out to the
speakers. Sorry if I have misunderstood your point, I'm keen to give people
shit for annoying me, but hate to disrespect or criticise other peoples
knowledge.

Hi Jeff
Sorry to let you down have not actually done hi end audio for a living, helped
with some good professional installs though, just used to be my hobby, plus
spent my formative years as a Radio then a Telecommunications & Electronics
Tech, and it's hurting to remember...

Gazza
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Post by poison » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:06 am

Just re-read your comment and maybe have misunderstood what you were trying to
say, sorry.

Yes your statement is correct for the output side, but if the cable is too
small for the power supply to the amp the voltage in will drop and so will the
voltage out and thus so will the power to the speakers. "Bigger is better"
... sorry zorruno I know it's a sensitive issue... :-)

Gazza
:twisted: Gazda in the white HOT Mazda :twisted:

Lyndon Pope

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Post by Lyndon Pope » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:42 am

Two seperate issues. The statement is true regardless of power supply voltage.
Once again, I apologise, I thought the thread was about amplifier
output/speaker issues.
Lyndon

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