Hibiscus Coast Motorsports Club run a structured autocross occasionally. I went to their one they ran at Hampton recently and it sounds nothing like what you just mentioned. Does need overalls along with the helmet though.marcellarius wrote:I'd be keen-as-beans for an actually difficult gymkhana day. I find the unstructured skid/drift days terribly boring... a minute of aimlessly skidding around and the next 20 minutes sitting in a queue being serenaded by tortured tyres and the drone of SR20s.
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The rear damper just has a really short stroke... I don't think I'd use shorter stops or different tophats without first consulting Racelign as I wouldn't want to wreck them. I'm sure Tein used the bumpstop they did for a reason...Furai wrote:Sounds like you need more travel in the rear. Tried raising it slightly or maybe go shorter bumpstops or extended tophats?
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The key to the rear though is travel and thats why I went extended tophats not keepers.
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That's probably the one I heard about a week after the event... it's so hard to find out what events are being run if you're out of the loop. I should join a club, but down here, the Fiat club is the only interesting candidate.SkilletKid wrote: Hibiscus Coast Motorsports Club run a structured autocross occasionally. I went to their one they ran at Hampton recently and it sounds nothing like what you just mentioned. Does need overalls along with the helmet though.
(I was referring to the more free-form drift/manji days -- just not really my thing)
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If its not going to do harm try it, suspension is personal not something you get out of a book or from someone 100km away in my opinion. But I have been through evolutions with mine and have found I tend to adapt a little to make it work everytime.marcellarius wrote:The rear damper just has a really short stroke... I don't think I'd use shorter stops or different tophats without first consulting Racelign as I wouldn't want to wreck them. I'm sure Tein used the bumpstop they did for a reason...Furai wrote:Sounds like you need more travel in the rear. Tried raising it slightly or maybe go shorter bumpstops or extended tophats?
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The key to the rear though is travel and thats why I went extended tophats not keepers.
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Yea I hear you on the difficulty of finding the clubsport oriented events run by clubs. Pity there's no club solely focused on entry level autocross and gymkhana around auckland/hamilton.
Lack of parking lots big enough and able to be hired out regularly also doesn't help I guess =\
Lack of parking lots big enough and able to be hired out regularly also doesn't help I guess =\
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HSD'S are the best handling shock I have ever driven in an MX5.
They are spectacular on the road with a firm but not too firm ride and no crashing through/over holes, judders etc.
I couldn't believe how awesome they were when I did the track days I did, a few clicks to stiffen them up and done.
A friend of mine drove the car and literally couldn't stop talking about how amazing the ride was compared to his standard one, ESPECIALLY given the spring rate......
As a daily driver it was truly enjoyable.
I think the HSD's are standard 8Kg front, 6 KG rear.
I mention this to counter some comments previousley re spring rates being too high etc. With the right valving 8/6 can be amazing.
For road use I wouldn't go to crazy on sway bar thickness. The thicker sway bars paid huge dividends on the track but I found standard sways with the HSD's was more than suitable for just "fun" use and for gymkhana/autocross may actually be beneficial in providing better feedback....
Just a personal opinion..YMMV...![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
They are spectacular on the road with a firm but not too firm ride and no crashing through/over holes, judders etc.
I couldn't believe how awesome they were when I did the track days I did, a few clicks to stiffen them up and done.
A friend of mine drove the car and literally couldn't stop talking about how amazing the ride was compared to his standard one, ESPECIALLY given the spring rate......
As a daily driver it was truly enjoyable.
I think the HSD's are standard 8Kg front, 6 KG rear.
I mention this to counter some comments previousley re spring rates being too high etc. With the right valving 8/6 can be amazing.
For road use I wouldn't go to crazy on sway bar thickness. The thicker sway bars paid huge dividends on the track but I found standard sways with the HSD's was more than suitable for just "fun" use and for gymkhana/autocross may actually be beneficial in providing better feedback....
Just a personal opinion..YMMV...
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Do the HSDs have rear tophats that allow for extra compression stroke?
Valving is probably the other main comfort-issue... the Monoflexblahblahs have quite aggressive compression damping, and the low speed rebound damping looks a bit strong too.
They get muuuuch better as you go faster, but, of course, never past the speed limit except on the track![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
I'm itching to get it back in the garage and make some adjustments to try and get it balanced better.
Valving is probably the other main comfort-issue... the Monoflexblahblahs have quite aggressive compression damping, and the low speed rebound damping looks a bit strong too.
They get muuuuch better as you go faster, but, of course, never past the speed limit except on the track
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A modest, matched pair of swaybars could help bring the front roll couple up if I found the oversteer a bit much (although seems okay to me), and with the softer springs the increased roll-stiffness probably wouldn't be an issue, but finding the right bars would be key. That's all fine tuning though.Mad Kiwi wrote:For road use I wouldn't go to crazy on sway bar thickness. The thicker sway bars paid huge dividends on the track but I found standard sways with the HSD's was more than suitable for just "fun" use and for gymkhana/autocross may actually be beneficial in providing better feedback....
I'm itching to get it back in the garage and make some adjustments to try and get it balanced better.
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Compared to stock bilsteins and bumpstops, the difference was night and day.
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Although the HSD's are great, I'm not sure they're so great as to ditch your current Teins and buy them, they could only be a slight improvement for the investment?
You're very welcome to come for a ride in my car though to feel if they're suitable or not![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
Edit: for relevance
Although the HSD's are great, I'm not sure they're so great as to ditch your current Teins and buy them, they could only be a slight improvement for the investment?
You're very welcome to come for a ride in my car though to feel if they're suitable or not
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Ummm...Auckland Car Club, Northen Sports Car Club, South Auckland Car Club just to name a few.SkilletKid wrote:Yea I hear you on the difficulty of finding the clubsport oriented events run by clubs. Pity there's no club solely focused on entry level autocross and gymkhana around auckland/hamilton.
I previously organised a seperate class just for MX5's to run alongside the ACC grass gymkhana summer series...but people conplained that their cars got dirty...
I'd be keen to do a grass gymkhana. I like my car dirty, it looks purposeful.Growler wrote:I previously organised a seperate class just for MX5's to run alongside the ACC grass gymkhana summer series...but people conplained that their cars got dirty...
I managed to get my red MX5 dirty enough one day of adventuring to get some dirty looks from a local 4wd club that was parked up.
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