Targa Rotorua

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Targa Rotorua

Post by Euen » Wed May 15, 2013 9:53 pm

Unfortunately my time on Targa Rotorua was cut short on Sunday morning by a little demon inside the engine tapping on the inside of the block.

Getting ready to pull the engine out but to cheer myself up I decided to hang my new Maxim Works header on the head to see how it fitted.

Pretty!
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Post by Furai » Wed May 15, 2013 10:59 pm

Dam they look nice!

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Post by MrGrey » Wed May 15, 2013 11:28 pm

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Post by authentic » Thu May 16, 2013 8:16 am

Make sure to spray and wipe them down with brake cleaner and paper towels before first start up!

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Post by Kieran » Thu May 16, 2013 1:52 pm

Why, if you don't and it gets stolen you can always tell its yours :lol:

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Post by SLYDIT » Thu May 16, 2013 9:32 pm

wow i think this is the first engine long block failure ive ever heard of in NZ of a non mega boost turbo car. i wonder if its th famous #4 thrust bearing issue?
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Post by Euen » Thu May 16, 2013 9:47 pm

Nope. Took the head off tonight and it looks like something has got into No 3 cylinder. Small amount of damage to the chamber on 2 as well. There is still something embedded in the head on No 3 which is likely to be causing the tapping we could hear. The air filter is still intact so I can only assume something has dropped out of the inlet manifold. Will dig into that over the weekend to see what I can find.
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Post by WideOpenThrottle » Fri May 17, 2013 8:05 am

That looks very much like what happened to mine at Puke! I had the same score marks down the cylinder walls too! Engine detonation from running too lean was suspected with my earlier turbo set-up!:D

Damage was to 3 & 4 cylinders which run the hottest and leanest from factory.
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Post by punkoutnz » Fri May 17, 2013 10:37 am

Looks to me like a piece of ring has escaped and been thrashing around your cylinder. Or at a long shot, check something silly like your throttle body screw hasn't jumped out of place and ended up in the cylinder.
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Post by WideOpenThrottle » Fri May 17, 2013 11:40 am

If you see tiny flaky bits and mini pit marks on the top of your piston then its been detonating i suspect.
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Post by BRM » Fri May 17, 2013 6:01 pm

Was wondering where you were on Sunday, then saw you trailering our of Rotorua as we were coming in for end of day.

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Post by SLYDIT » Fri May 17, 2013 9:46 pm

are those the exhaust valves broken? if it is i would bet that the combination of AFR and timing is causing your exhaust gas temps to be too high and weaken the valves. may pay to get a EGT probe on number 4 when you do your next tune.
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Post by REDBEN » Fri May 17, 2013 11:35 pm

When It comes to rebuilding the head purchase the Mazda GTR BG8R exhaust valves they are sodium filler and have a higher resistance to the heat and are a direct swap
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Post by Euen » Sat May 18, 2013 7:15 pm

Valves are all ok. The dark patch on one in the photo was just some oil on the valve. AFR is set to between 12 and 13:1 so shouldn't be an issue. Have stripped the inlet manifold and throttle body and no sign of missing parts. Throttle spindle/screws have been araldited to try and stop it falling apart although that is only usualy an isue on high boost which I don't have. No sign of detonation damage to the piston or rings fighting their way to the top. Will have a better idea once Glendene Engine Reconditioners have had a good look at it this week.
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Post by harlansmart » Sat May 18, 2013 9:17 pm

Sorry to hear of the engine mishap but you will make it better than before!

Good idea this Ben, I just learned about that, always though they were solid before! - 2low2c showed me the other day in one of his Honda race engines valves that were special Honda racing ones filled with something like sodium for hot applications.
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Post by SLYDIT » Sun May 19, 2013 6:27 pm

Mate I'm tellin ya your problem is exhaust gas temps. You can have afr within spec and still have sky high EGTs
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Post by Euen » Tue May 21, 2013 10:13 pm

Well, it wasn't exhaust gas temps or detonation. Seems that the a couple of valve guides had started to disintegrate. Not sure why, but they are cast iron ones and will be replaced with bronze ones. Engine was probably due for a refresh anyway. 5 years of competition takes its toll.
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Post by SLYDIT » Fri May 24, 2013 6:53 pm

Euen wrote:Well, it wasn't exhaust gas temps or detonation. Seems that the a couple of valve guides had started to disintegrate. Not sure why, but they are cast iron ones and will be replaced with bronze ones. Engine was probably due for a refresh anyway. 5 years of competition takes its toll.
because of EGT's.
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Post by Euen » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:36 pm

Well, engine is finally back where it belongs. Fired up without problem and sounds good.

5 years of Targa and other hard work had taken its toll and so it got a fairly comprehensive rebuild.

The pieces of valve guide (inlet side so unlikely to be EGT) had damaged the pistons badly enough that I had to go new pistons. 3 bent inlet valves, new valve seats, new bronze valve guides and new Supertech valve lifters. These are the shim under bucket type however because of a bit of a mix up with the supply, it was found that the shims were unnecessary and the buckets were machined to provide the correct cam clearance meaning that I now have one-piece lifters. This is becoming more common on a lot of newer engines.

Another problem we found was that the adjustable cam pulleys had started to crack. I have gone back to the standard ones for the time being.

Still have to reset the CAS timing and then get it tuned again.
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