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Post by Registrar » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:50 pm

Just purchased a 1990 MX5 roadster (80,000k), unfortunately the wheels are
very tarnished.

Have tried water blasting, scrubbing with steel wool etc but to no avail. As
anyone got any bright ideas?


Keith Willson

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Post by chrissy » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:07 pm

Why don't you just paint them silver?

chrissy

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Post by chrissy » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:07 pm

Why don't you just paint them silver?

chrissy

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Post by chrissy » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:08 pm

I have some genuine Mx ones if you want to buy mine. Nice condition with
tyres. Chrissy

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one of the car cleaning product companies makes a
special mag wheel cleaner which has some sort of
etching quality to it which strips off the tarnised
oxidiesed layer of the aluminium. I cant for the life
of me remember if it was armoural, vht, crc, etc but
it definitly wasnt your run on the mill, spray on wash
off mag cleaners.


Glenn "SLYDIT"
http://miata.cardomain.com/id/supasparky
Currently building a DIY Turbo..Subaru VF10 Turbo, Weld el manifold, 2.5"exhaust,subaru BOV, Isuzu intercooler, 330cc GTX injectors, dual feed fuel rail,RX7 air flow meter, Greddy Emanage piggy back computor.Custom full length cold air box...YEEEEEHHHAAA
Hopefully finished by summer:)

chrissy

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Post by chrissy » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:08 pm

I have some genuine Mx ones if you want to buy mine. Nice condition with
tyres. Chrissy

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one of the car cleaning product companies makes a
special mag wheel cleaner which has some sort of
etching quality to it which strips off the tarnised
oxidiesed layer of the aluminium. I cant for the life
of me remember if it was armoural, vht, crc, etc but
it definitly wasnt your run on the mill, spray on wash
off mag cleaners.


Glenn "SLYDIT"
http://miata.cardomain.com/id/supasparky
Currently building a DIY Turbo..Subaru VF10 Turbo, Weld el manifold, 2.5"exhaust,subaru BOV, Isuzu intercooler, 330cc GTX injectors, dual feed fuel rail,RX7 air flow meter, Greddy Emanage piggy back computor.Custom full length cold air box...YEEEEEHHHAAA
Hopefully finished by summer:)

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Post by Badcat » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:23 pm

or try arrow wheels in west AK - they can repaint them with the right stuff.

ken
From: glenn roberts <supasparky@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 2005/11/14 Mon PM 03:19:45 GMT+13:00
To: MX5List <mx5list@mx5club.org.nz>
Subject: Re: Wheels

one of the car cleaning product companies makes a
special mag wheel cleaner which has some sort of
etching quality to it which strips off the tarnised
oxidiesed layer of the aluminium. I cant for the life
of me remember if it was armoural, vht, crc, etc but
it definitly wasnt your run on the mill, spray on wash
off mag cleaners.


Glenn "SLYDIT"
http://miata.cardomain.com/id/supasparky
Currently building a DIY Turbo..Subaru VF10 Turbo, Weld el manifold,
2.5"exhaust,subaru BOV, Isuzu intercooler, 330cc GTX injectors, dual feed
fuel rail,RX7 air flow meter, Greddy Emanage piggy back computor.Custom
full length cold air box...YEEEEEHHHAAA
Hopefully finished by summer:)
uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/

ken newell

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Post by Badcat » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:23 pm

or try arrow wheels in west AK - they can repaint them with the right stuff.

ken
From: glenn roberts <supasparky@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 2005/11/14 Mon PM 03:19:45 GMT+13:00
To: MX5List <mx5list@mx5club.org.nz>
Subject: Re: Wheels

one of the car cleaning product companies makes a
special mag wheel cleaner which has some sort of
etching quality to it which strips off the tarnised
oxidiesed layer of the aluminium. I cant for the life
of me remember if it was armoural, vht, crc, etc but
it definitly wasnt your run on the mill, spray on wash
off mag cleaners.


Glenn "SLYDIT"
http://miata.cardomain.com/id/supasparky
Currently building a DIY Turbo..Subaru VF10 Turbo, Weld el manifold,
2.5"exhaust,subaru BOV, Isuzu intercooler, 330cc GTX injectors, dual feed
fuel rail,RX7 air flow meter, Greddy Emanage piggy back computor.Custom
full length cold air box...YEEEEEHHHAAA
Hopefully finished by summer:)
uk.news.yahoo.com/hot/model-search/

ken newell

chrissy

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Post by chrissy » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:39 pm

Some of those wheel products aren't good as I think they may have some nasty
things in them. Acid

chrissy

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Post by chrissy » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:39 pm

Some of those wheel products aren't good as I think they may have some nasty
things in them. Acid

Mark O'Sullivan

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Post by Mark O'Sullivan » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:52 pm

Hi Keith

Send some pictures of your wheels to lance@arrowwheels.co.nz or shoot into see
Arrow Wheels at Patiki Road. Either way they'll give you a free assessment.

If the tarnish is as bad as you've described, it might take some reasonably
radical treatment to bring your wheels right again. Various treatments
include stripping the wheel of it's outer layer in a chemical bath, then
re-coating with paint and/or clear-coat as necessary. You might also want to
have any nicks or grazes around the rim machined to a smooth finish at the
same time.

Powerstrip Industries in Gabador Place East Tamaki are also another port of
call.

Cheers
Mark

Mark O'Sullivan

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Post by Mark O'Sullivan » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:52 pm

Hi Keith

Send some pictures of your wheels to lance@arrowwheels.co.nz or shoot into see
Arrow Wheels at Patiki Road. Either way they'll give you a free assessment.

If the tarnish is as bad as you've described, it might take some reasonably
radical treatment to bring your wheels right again. Various treatments
include stripping the wheel of it's outer layer in a chemical bath, then
re-coating with paint and/or clear-coat as necessary. You might also want to
have any nicks or grazes around the rim machined to a smooth finish at the
same time.

Powerstrip Industries in Gabador Place East Tamaki are also another port of
call.

Cheers
Mark

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Post by EricW » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:27 pm

Most of these cleaners are based on Formic Acid, won't hurt the wheels, but
can do you a bit of damage if you don't wash it off your skin promptly.
Almost impossible to get off, if it dries on an alloy wheel, and it gives
off a nasty gas if you spray it on anything hot, like a brake rotor.

Eric

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Post by EricW » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:27 pm

Most of these cleaners are based on Formic Acid, won't hurt the wheels, but
can do you a bit of damage if you don't wash it off your skin promptly.
Almost impossible to get off, if it dries on an alloy wheel, and it gives
off a nasty gas if you spray it on anything hot, like a brake rotor.

Eric

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Post by Colin » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:35 pm

I think that the Mothers and Maguire's are based on an oxalic acid. All of
the acidic type cleaners are just that. They will not leave a protective
film and will not without mechanical help (brush or scrub) even start to
lift oxidisation. They simply don't make them strong enough to do a lot more
than clean road debris and brake dust. Often they have trouble with tar also.
If you have cleaned the wheels with an acidic, spray on wheel cleaner then I
would suggest Mothers metal polish. That and quite a bit of elbow grease or
a small drill mounted foam pad will lift the top layer of oxidisation. It
is the first product Mothers made and is what they are most famous for.
Autosol will work also.

The use of wire wool or scouring pads is not something that will give a
polish. Aluminium scratches easily and using them will have removed any
protection. They will have oxidised almost immediately again. A natural;
although dull protection I suppose. Normal car polish on top of metal polish
can be effective for a short time.

I have a set of wheels (on a corolla) in a similar condition at the moment.
Some years ago I had the original 1994 wheels on the Mx5 repainted with a
two-pack silver to repair chip damage on the spokes. They look better than
they did new. They have been consigned to a box for the last few years
though so I am not sure how long they would have keep their appearance.

Phew...that was a bit long winded.

Oh, and for tar? Kerosene is the best solvent.

Colin
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Post by Colin » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:35 pm

I think that the Mothers and Maguire's are based on an oxalic acid. All of
the acidic type cleaners are just that. They will not leave a protective
film and will not without mechanical help (brush or scrub) even start to
lift oxidisation. They simply don't make them strong enough to do a lot more
than clean road debris and brake dust. Often they have trouble with tar also.
If you have cleaned the wheels with an acidic, spray on wheel cleaner then I
would suggest Mothers metal polish. That and quite a bit of elbow grease or
a small drill mounted foam pad will lift the top layer of oxidisation. It
is the first product Mothers made and is what they are most famous for.
Autosol will work also.

The use of wire wool or scouring pads is not something that will give a
polish. Aluminium scratches easily and using them will have removed any
protection. They will have oxidised almost immediately again. A natural;
although dull protection I suppose. Normal car polish on top of metal polish
can be effective for a short time.

I have a set of wheels (on a corolla) in a similar condition at the moment.
Some years ago I had the original 1994 wheels on the Mx5 repainted with a
two-pack silver to repair chip damage on the spokes. They look better than
they did new. They have been consigned to a box for the last few years
though so I am not sure how long they would have keep their appearance.

Phew...that was a bit long winded.

Oh, and for tar? Kerosene is the best solvent.

Colin
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Post by Carey Hill » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:04 pm

Try Prestone wheel cleaner, spray on, leave for two minutes, scrub well
everywhere with a tooth brush, hose off
studefan

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Post by Carey Hill » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:04 pm

Try Prestone wheel cleaner, spray on, leave for two minutes, scrub well
everywhere with a tooth brush, hose off
studefan

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Post by chrissy » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:06 pm

You could always take them to a metal polisher. They come up nice. There's a
guy called Wayne in Saleyard Rd Otahuhu. He polished up my Mercedes Wheels
and they were absoloutely awsome. The cost was $150. I had a quote on
getting a curbing mark removed from my Peter Brock wheel and I was told $150
for one wheel to repair. That was at Frank Allen tyres. I'd have to say the
guy in Otahuhu is great and I've used him to polish other things like cam
covers. If anyone wants his number I'll find it.
Chrissy p.s why don't you just my 4 spares for $290 and I'll throw in the
tyres. What a bargain.

chrissy

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Post by chrissy » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:06 pm

You could always take them to a metal polisher. They come up nice. There's a
guy called Wayne in Saleyard Rd Otahuhu. He polished up my Mercedes Wheels
and they were absoloutely awsome. The cost was $150. I had a quote on
getting a curbing mark removed from my Peter Brock wheel and I was told $150
for one wheel to repair. That was at Frank Allen tyres. I'd have to say the
guy in Otahuhu is great and I've used him to polish other things like cam
covers. If anyone wants his number I'll find it.
Chrissy p.s why don't you just my 4 spares for $290 and I'll throw in the
tyres. What a bargain.

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Post by WiM » Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:57 pm

First use wire brush, than polish with a quick turning device and
polish cream, after that clean with cleaning and degreasing product,
at this stage you can or paint the wheels in the colour you want
(after a first layer of base paint) or varnish the wheels. Important
to heat the alloys up to 50degrees Celsius, this way pores open up
and takes up paint much better, afterwards 'bake' the wheels at 55-
60degrees again.

Disclaimer: This is the theory, I have seen it being done but never
tried it myself. Maybe it's worth getting them refurbished by a profi
or get another set of wheels. I know I will try to refurbish alloys
at some stage the way I wrote above.

WiM
'91 1.6 MX-5 (due to immigration for sale)
www.mx5ireland.com
www.cardomain.com/memberpage/312875


Quoting Keith Willson <k.willson@auckland.ac.nz> on Mon, 14 Nov 2005
14:50:31 +1300:

Just purchased a 1990 MX5 roadster (80,000k),
unfortunately the wheels are
very tarnished.

Have tried water blasting, scrubbing with steel
wool etc but to no avail. As
anyone got any bright ideas?


Keith Willson

Faculty Registrar

Faculty of Engineering


20 Symonds Street

Auckland


Telephone 64 9 373 7599

Facsimile 64 9 367 7156

Mobile 021 377 933


The University of Auckland

Private Bag 92019

Auckland

New Zealand
WiM
'96 Subaru Legacy S/W GT twin turbo
'97 Suzuki TL1000S
www.mx5ireland.com
www.cardomain.com/memberpage/312875

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Post by WiM » Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:57 pm

First use wire brush, than polish with a quick turning device and
polish cream, after that clean with cleaning and degreasing product,
at this stage you can or paint the wheels in the colour you want
(after a first layer of base paint) or varnish the wheels. Important
to heat the alloys up to 50degrees Celsius, this way pores open up
and takes up paint much better, afterwards 'bake' the wheels at 55-
60degrees again.

Disclaimer: This is the theory, I have seen it being done but never
tried it myself. Maybe it's worth getting them refurbished by a profi
or get another set of wheels. I know I will try to refurbish alloys
at some stage the way I wrote above.

WiM
'91 1.6 MX-5 (due to immigration for sale)
www.mx5ireland.com
www.cardomain.com/memberpage/312875


Quoting Keith Willson <k.willson@auckland.ac.nz> on Mon, 14 Nov 2005
14:50:31 +1300:

Just purchased a 1990 MX5 roadster (80,000k),
unfortunately the wheels are
very tarnished.

Have tried water blasting, scrubbing with steel
wool etc but to no avail. As
anyone got any bright ideas?


Keith Willson

Faculty Registrar

Faculty of Engineering


20 Symonds Street

Auckland


Telephone 64 9 373 7599

Facsimile 64 9 367 7156

Mobile 021 377 933


The University of Auckland

Private Bag 92019

Auckland

New Zealand
WiM
'96 Subaru Legacy S/W GT twin turbo
'97 Suzuki TL1000S
www.mx5ireland.com
www.cardomain.com/memberpage/312875

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